He was sucked into the world of magic after watching David Blaine. Since then, he has transitioned into a top family entertainer in Saskatchewan. His hilarious antics and great sense of humor keep clients coming back for more. You can check out his website at his website.

Ever since I was a young kid I loved entertaining other people. Being able to bring joy, laughter and excitement to others with my humor and ridiculous antics felt like a sort of super power to me. I would get an adrenaline rush from it.

Ernie Coombs, known more famously as Mr. Dressup, and Shari Lewis were a huge influence on me as a child. Their shows helped shaped my creativity, helped expand my imagination, and showed me how to find adventure in everyday life.

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Kray Mitchell: All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Illusionary podcast, my next guest is a family entertainer, influenced by the likes of Mr Dressup. And he hails from the hardest to spell province. Please welcome, Saskatchewan's own, Danny Kazam. Danny, thanks for coming.

Danny Kazam: Hi, thank you very much. Thank you for having me on your podcast.

Kray: Very welcome.

Danny: [crosstalk 00:00:23] my bucket list.

Kray: Awesome. That's great to hear. Let's just jump onto things and get started. How long have you been performing magic for? When did you first get into it?

Danny: I have been doing this now full time, for eight years. I started about 9 years ago. Ever since I was a kid I dreamed of... I always enjoyed entertaining people. Ever since I was a kid I enjoyed it, the attention I would get, and long before I ever did any acting, or any stage work, I knew it was something that I wanted to do. But things didn't happen for me until I was 40. I was a little bit more settled down then, I was married. At the time I had my own painting company, that was doing really good out in Calgary. It was during the big housing boom out there.

Kray: I remember that.

Danny: It was a pretty hectic, busy time and we did pretty good. When I reached 40, I suppose you can call it a mid life crisis, I call it an awakening. That's when I realized the whole painting thing is successful as it was financially, and that it wasn't really fulfilling me. Looking back on my life and that, entertaining is something that I always wanted to do, and even though I took acting classes when I was in my 20's in Toronto, and did stage work and theater for communities and what not, other things ended up happening in my life that took away from that. I think part of it too, was always thinking: "Well, I got all the time in the world."

Kray: A very common mistake.

Danny: Yes. You get to 40 years old and you start realizing you ain't got all the time in the world. I thought: "I've got to do this. If I'm going to do this, I've got to do it now." Just prior to that, magic for me, didn't come until I was about 34/35 years old. That kind of happened by accident, and more out of curiosity because I've always loved watching magic and watched it on television. I know you had another fellow on there, the Amazing Todsky. We're both from Montreal.

Kray: Yes, he is.

Danny: Both grew up watching Magic Tom Auburn. But anybody who was born or lived in Montreal during the 60's and 70's, and early 80's pretty much know who Tom Auburn is. He was all over television [crosstalk 00:03:14].

Kray: Yes. He was a big name, back then.

Danny: Was a big name, yes.

Kray: On TV, anyway. He had a show. I think it was cross Canada, wasn't it?

Danny: He might have, yes. I don't know. Yes, he was on the French channels, English channels. He was everywhere. He also did a lot of visits to the children's hospital, where I got to meet him actually, for the first time. But magic for me, that happened one day when I was sitting at home, and I was looking through the channels and there was this thing, there was this magic special that was coming on television. I thought: "Oh, okay. We've got to watch that." Because I always loved watching magic on television. Never heard of this guy's name before, didn't know who he was, and I thought okay, start watching it. Fellow by the name of David Blaine. I don't know if you ever heard of him?

Kray: Rings a bell, I think. Yes.

Danny: I started watching this guy, and I was totally blown away. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Again, from a perspective of a lay person, because that's what I was for 34 years, 35 years, and I'm watching this, and I'd never seen anything like it before. Watching guys perform on stage and doing their stuff on stage, and this was totally different. And then at the end of the show he levitates. Right on the street. If he did something like that on a stage show or whatever kind of thing, I might have been: "Maybe there's this, or maybe he used some kind of apparatus that the audience can't see." For me, I was just: "Okay. Wait a minute. Maybe some of these people on the show that are talking about him having supernatural powers, may there's something to that. Maybe he does have some supernatural powers. Who knows?"

Danny: I don't think I'm naïve or gullible, but I consider myself an open minded person. You're from Kelowna, you live in Kelowna, right?

Kray: That is correct, yes.

Danny: Have you ever seen the Ogopogo?

Kray: Indeed I have. As a child.

Danny: You have? Oh, okay.

Kray: I have.

Danny: Right on. Cool. So there we go.

Kray: I don't care who believes me. I saw him.

Danny: I lived out in Kelowna for a little while, never seen the Ogopogo, but I met an older couple. At first they mentioned that they kind of, might have, thought have, seen the Ogopogo, and I kept pressing them to tell me the story. Eventually they did, and they were credible people, they really strongly believed that they seen what was something that was the Ogopogo. Who am I to think that they didn't? My point being, is that I'm open minded to certain things like that, and I'm always intrigued to find out. New sighting on Bigfoot, oooh, got to check it out. Maybe that'll convince me there is. There's enough evidence in there to convince me that there's Bigfoot.

Danny: That led me into getting on my computer and start punching in the name, David Blaine. Is he real? Is this levitating? Can people... Then I started finding some of these public magic forums. They were talking about David Blaine. Just grudgingly, they would just hate on him, and expose the stuff that he was doing because they didn't like his style of magic. They thought: "Wow, he's using camera editing, and he's using stooges and stuff." I'm reading a lot of this, and they're like: "Yes, well. How can anybody get fooled by a coin bite, or the Balducci levitation?" And I'm just like: "Huh? But I did."

Kray: He's not trying to fool magicians, he's trying to fool the layman.

Danny: Oh, yes. And he had me fooled. The next thing, thanks to these people who grudgingly hated on David Blaine, not only did I learn how he was doing some of his stuff, but then in the same process found some online magic stores and started buying magic. And boy, did I start buying magic.

Kray: Yes. People think crack's addictive. Wait until you try magic.

Danny: Yes. No doubt. That's how that started for me. Then I was more, still wasn't really interested, I never had an interest in being a magician, but playing around with the magic and stuff. I started using it as a way to approach people, to open up a conversation that would lead into talking about God and the gospel and stuff. Which then led me, I was a non-ordained Youth Pastor, that got me into now doing gospel magic. I thought: "Well, hey. You know what? We'll try this." I'd seen what other people were doing in the line of gospel magic, so that was something that I started doing for a while. I wasn't so much enjoying it. I took it too serious. It was more about the message and I realized I was preaching to the choir. A lot of these kids already heard these stories and stuff. Then I just decided, yes. This isn't something that I want to continue doing.

Danny: Of course, that was right around the time when I reached the age of 40, and that's when I decided I was going to be an entertainer. Of course, being a children's entertainer was a shoe in, because I've always been inspired by Mr Dressup and Shari Lewis, with the whole puppets and whole imagination thing.

Kray: I used to watch them both, religiously.

Danny: Oh, right.

Kray: Along with Mr Rogers.

Danny: I just finished watching his documentary, and he's an amazing fellow.

Kray: Right?

Danny: Hat's off to that guy. But I never did watch his show when I was a kid.

Kray: Really?

Danny: No. I watched it a few times, but I didn't enjoy it back then. It wasn't my thing, I suppose. I was onto the Ernie Coombs guy, and Shari Lewis, the puppets, and of course the tickle trunk, and still waiting for one day, hopefully, my wife will come home with a trunk that I can turn into my tickle trunk. Now I just have this big huge drawer, and I have different costume stuff that I have in there, because I like to dress up.

Kray: It's fun.

Danny: There's no women's stuff in there, yet.

Kray: There's lots of cool outfits that you can dress up in.

Danny: Yes, yes. We have the masks and everything else, and playing different characters. The whole idea of just being, that's why I think, I've been always so attracted to being an entertainer. Exploring who I am as well, through my imagination, keeping my inner child alive. Then or course, people enjoy what I'm doing and it makes it so much better. It's that adrenaline rush. I remember as a kid in school, I used to sometimes get in trouble because I would do something in class, and the kids would start laughing, and that would just egg me on to go further and a little further, until I'm crossing the line. And the teacher is: "Okay, that's enough. Stop it."

Kray: Getting some deja vu here, man.

Danny: Down to the Principal's office.

Kray: Yes. It's in your soul, man.

Danny: It is.

Kray: Once entertainment and stuff is in your soul, I don't think you can get it out. I've always loved to make people laugh and smile, and that's my favorite part of magic. Is being able to give people that smile in the day, or that sense of bewilderment and wonder that they had as a child. Even for a split second, blow their mind, before they figure it out, I don't care. As long as I gave them that moment.

Danny: Yes. I've always had a love and a passion for working with children as well too. Being with the kids. My memories of when I was a kid and seeing different entertainers, I hoped to leave that kind of an impact and impression on their lives. I don't think I have any, really. There might have been a time in my life I wanted to be famous, be a big time celebrity and that. That's not so important to me, as much maybe as it was, one time. I'm just enjoying the ride, being happy, doing what I love to do, and maybe inspire young kids to reach their dreams and be all that they can be, use their imaginations. No matter what circumstance, or how different they are, that they can be whatever they want. To use the phrase of Mr Rogers now, I guess, but I like them just the way they are.

Kray: Yes. Exactly. If only more people could understand that simple, simple message. I think the world would be a much better place, all the way around. Do you remember the first time you had a performance? Your first official performance, once you got started?

Danny: My first official, first time I ever performed for children's magic as an adult?

Kray: Yes

Danny: Or as a little kid?

Kray: No, in the new role.

Danny: It was a gospel magic show, and it was for a different church, so the fellow had gotten word from somebody else that I was doing gospel magic. We went and had coffee and discussed some stuff. I wanted to make sure that we were online with our theology and our religious beliefs and stuff like that. He didn't think there was going to be a big enough crowd. I let him know that this was going to be my first show. Actually, smaller shows, I did do some other smaller shows, but I wouldn't really consider them shows, because not only did I not get paid but it was...even if I was bad I was amongst friends. This is my first real official show. There was almost 300 people there. It was a huge church, and I remember because my whole theme, this is the first time we've put a real theme together too, as well, and it was called "Stay in the light".

Danny: I was in the back, so when the music, it was from Apologetic and it was a parody of the BeeGee's song, their "Staying Alive". It was a parody which was called "Stay in the light", and I came out doing the Delights, I'm looking out and I'm thinking: "This place is jam packed. Oh my gosh." I thought I was going to have an anxiety attack, which is really strange because, of course now, it's smaller crowds that actually freak me out. But that was it. I remember getting up there, and I was doing my thing, getting up on that..."Man, why did I chose to want to start from the way, way back here to get to the stage, because this is the longest walk I've ever had to take." I get up there, and it was just kind of... But then, as soon as I looked at the audience, and started the show, it was on time. Whatever fear or anything like that, it was gone and it was showtime.

Danny: It's not the kind of shows that I do now. But that was the first. It was pretty scary, because I was thinking "Oh my gosh. If I screw up, there's 300 people here to see me screw up." [inaudible 00:15:35] if there was only maybe 12, or maybe 15 people. The less the better, that way, I screw up the chance of maybe 9% of them actually saying anything is not as big as a 300 member crowd. But it went all right, it was...

Kray: At least it wasn't a new routine, that you were first trying out, too. Or was it?

Danny: What I did is I took out some gospel routines and just had some fun stuff in there. I was totally different back then, I looked like a Youth Pastor. I conducted myself more straitlaced. Even when I did more gospel shows after that I was that, I had a little fun, but it was more the serious kind of guy that you can have fun with. That's when, there was a battle inside of me. It's like: "Hey. This could be fun, but it's not really fun for me. I feel like I'm not really accomplishing anything. Am I doing this as an excuse? So I can have an excuse to do magic? Or [crosstalk 00:16:58].

Kray: You never need an excuse to do magic.

Danny: No. [crosstalk 00:17:02].

Kray: Just run up to people.

Danny: I still perform for churches, and I don't do the gospel magic thing, so my shows are pretty clean, and pretty wholesome. I always got little good positive messages in there too as well.

Kray: That's awesome. I always try and have a positive message overall, in life. Once I figured that out, when I was younger, it made my life so much easier. It really is a state of mind that you have to have, I think.

Danny: Yes.

Kray: To be awesome.

Danny: And when you have that positive attitude and you give it to other people, it's the same thing as when you're performing. It's a give and take. I go out there and I get the kids energized and excited about the show, and they're able to give that energy and excitement back to me, so that I can use that to give back to them, and the whole show is just based on give and take, and give and take.

Kray: Smart.

Danny: Now I get nervous when there's a smaller crowd. Because when there's a smaller crowd, it means I got to work harder because I got to get that energy, for me to feed off that energy, I got to get those 15 or 20 kids to be highly energized, so that I can give back that high energy back to them.

Kray: Have you thought about giving out Pixie Sticks before the show, in those cases?

Danny: Pixie Sticks.

Kray: Here's a thing full of sugar, down this quick before the show starts. Dude, you want energy, there you go. Just get them really riled.

Danny: I'll have to try that one, yes.

Kray: Asa a child who loved sugar, I now understand my mother's pain. So sorry, Mom. Oh, god. You see a kid now, on sugar, off sugar, oh wow. Back then I'm like: "There's no difference. There's no difference. I'm just who I always am." No. No.

Danny: Settle down! No, I can't, Mom! I can't! I can't! Oh, no Mom, I can't!

Kray: Literally running up the walls. Might help with that energy stuff. You said you got into things thanks to David Blaine. Are there any tricks or illusions that really stood out to you of his? Or was it just anything? Or is there anything in particular from anybody really stands out? Is there any tricks or illusions that you really like?

Danny: Well, his levitation, definitely. That was, that really screwed with my head. The coin bite, I'd never seen that be done before.

Kray: He does it well.

Danny: Yes. And he did the thing with the, I think it was an ambitious card routine that he did, that I thought was really amazing as well, too. That's one of my things I do with cards now too, is the ambitious, have my own style routine to that. Actually, one of the first things I ever performed was that levitation. I practiced it for a while, because I realized that the angles were iffy on that, and then when I was a little bit confident with it, I decided: "Well, I'm going to show it to my younger brother." He was an adult, of course, at the time. I did the levitation for him, and he freaked right out. He was like: "Oh my god. That Christianity stuff is really, like wow. You've got powers." I was like: "Yes. No. It's not that."

Kray: Not quite. It's a different kind of holy power.

Danny: Funny story there too, is he had me do it for his friend. His friend was with this other guy, and so when I did it for the other two guys, I had my brother Sean, he was standing next to them so I had them all close together. Again, going through the whole David Blaine kind of thing. I don't know if it's going to work or not, focus my attention and so then I did it, and at that time the angle, it was revealed to my brother, Sean. He didn't say anything at the time, but his friend and his friend's friend both seen it. One of them was just, kind of like: "Huh." You could see he was in a deep thought, like: "What did I just see?" The other guy was freaking out. He was like: "Oh my god. I know people, I've heard of people, I've heard of people on the internet who can levitate in India, and stuff. This stuff is real." He's trying to tell Sean's friend, like: "Yes, man. You've got to believe it. This is real."

Danny: He looks at me and he says: "If I touch you right now, will I get a shock?" So I'm like: "I don't know." He reaches out and he touches me, and of course the static electricity from the carpet and everything else, just ironically enough, he touches me, gets a shock. That was it. I could have started the cult right there on the spot.

Kray: You should have. Any time you have an opportunity to start a cult, you should take that.

Danny: It's going to cost $1000 though.

Kray: These people will do whatever it takes.

Danny: It was one of those moments, it was like: "Man, this guy is going to think I do actually have supernatural powers." I just thought: "Well, let's just have fun with it for a while." I never did see the guy again, but Sean's friend Curtis, at the time, I seen him a few times after that, and he was like: "How did you do that?" I said: "Magic." He says: "What kind of magic?"

Kray: Black magic.

Danny: Magic, man. It was like: "You couldn't have possibly really levitated off the ground, could you?" "Well, [crosstalk 00:22:45]."

Kray: Maybe.

Danny: Use your imagination.

Kray: That's right. Do you have a favorite trick, that you like to perform now? Or is that still a favorite to do to people?

Danny: I don't do the levitation as much anymore, now. I do the ambitious card routine. I don't think it ever gets old. I just like that one. It leads into other things and that. I don't do a whole lot of close up stuff, I did the thing, I can't remember if it was on the same episode, or the same special or if it was on a different special, where David Blaine took the fly and made the fly come back to life.

Kray: I haven't seen that one.

Danny: You haven't seen that one? Okay.

Kray: I want to see that one now. Okay, I got to go look for that, after.

Danny: I learned the secret to that. Again, the levitation and the fly thing, I could really actually start a cult with this stuff. I could always just plant the fly somewhere, and then kind of like: "Here, let's try something different." You've got this fly, and put it in my hand and then: "Okay. Watch." Make this fly, and its just like:"Oh my god." I'm like: "Yes."

Kray: Be a lot of fun.

Danny: Yes. Most of my stuff I do on stage, there's a lot of gags, and I'm not, so much. The kids are fooled, I know they are fooled by the tricks and that, and of course that's important. I'm not really trying to fool the parents. The entertainment part of it, the parents are there, they're watching their kids have a great time, they're enjoying themselves, they're seeing their kids enjoying themselves. Then they can regress, and bring out the child in them. I always [crosstalk 00:24:45].

Kray: Laughter is infectious.

Danny: Yes. It's a journey of fun entertainment, and the parents don't have to worry about using certain innuendo jokes that only supposedly adults get. Do you think that kids don't know this stuff in this day and age?

Kray: Yes. They have Google too, you know.

Danny: And they hear things on the schoolyard.

Kray: Yes. I wish I had Google to look up some of the stuff I heard on the schoolyard when I was a kid. Because it took a few extra days, in some cases.

Danny: Dictionaries. Like: "Hey. Let's see if we can find the swear words in the dictionary." [crosstalk 00:25:26].

Kray: The good old days, right?

Danny: Oh, yes. Yes.

Kray: Kids are ruined these days. They've got Google.

Danny: Sometimes, actually, you'd look for a certain word in the dictionary and it was supposed to be there, but it was like somebody or something has ripped a page out of the book, so you couldn't actually find the word.

Kray: That's always fun. That makes a good magic trick, too.

Danny: Yes.

Kray: Chris Angel, I just saw, I've been re-watching Mind Freak and he does a bit where he's, I think it's at a soccer game or something. No, no. It wasn't Chris Angel, it was Ryan Tricks, in the UK.

Danny: Okay.

Kray: He was at a soccer match, and somebody had the catalog, or whatever they... I'm not a sports guy, I'm a geek. Had a little catalog and got them to pick a page out of it, and remember one of the words on the page and the page number. He closed it up, put it in his pocket, remember the word, Ryan guessed the word, and then he was like: "Yes, that's it." He's like: "Okay. Now open it up to that page." Goes to open up, that page is gone out of the book. Yet, he came up with the book. It never left his hands.

Danny: Nice, yes.

Kray: Very well done. Very well done. I love watching stuff like that.

Danny: Very impressive. Oh, yes. I still love watching magic. I think, just the fact that I spent 34/35 years as a lay person, that even though I've been doing this now for 9 years, I still know what it's like to be able to watch magic from a lay person's perspective. I know some people, in the magic community, they started learning magic when they first got out of their diapers, and then started doing their own shows when they stopped sucking their thumbs. They've never really experienced what it's like to be a lay person, or really understand what it's like for a lay person. But, I mean [crosstalk 00:27:32].

Kray: Do you know what life as a Muggle is like?

Danny: Well, now you've got all these shows and you've got these magicians and they're like: "Oh, man. I can't believe that that fooled him. Or this and that." And it's like, I get it. We love magic, and we want to stay loving magic, and we still get so involved in watching magic, but if you're going to watch magic to enjoy magic. You have to not watch it like a magician. You just have to watch it like a lay person and just enjoy it.

Kray: Absolutely. It's entertainment.

Danny: Yes, exactly.

Kray: Let it entertain you.

Danny: Yes, exactly. That's the point, right there. Even for kids. Some of them, they might know how I did something, but because my show isn't just about the trick, but there's so much other things to it. They think they know how something is going to happen, but then by the time I'm doing it, they're just so enthralled in the whole routine and what's going on, that they're just carried away with it.

Kray: Yes.

Danny: You've got to take them on that journey. The coloring book, for instance, I know others just do the basic coloring book routine. They open it up, "Whoa, look. We need some colors." Pick up some colors off your shirt. Well I do a different coloring book routine, based on Danny Orleans' version, with the jumbo coloring book and the big multiplying wands. I've been doing it for so many years now that, a lot of things that have been added in to it. I'll pull out this coloring book, and I'll have my two volunteers up, and I'll open it up to show that that colors haven't been colored in. You get a couple of kids that will be going: "Oh, I know this one." I look at them, and say: "No, you don't." And sure enough, they're taken away with the whole routine, because it's more than just the colors all of a sudden appearing in the coloring book.

Danny: That's what I enjoy doing, and a lot of the stuff that I'm doing now is just stuff that I've created on my own. It's fun. There's so much about the whole children's entertainment and stuff, the creating and putting the shows together. Of course, there's the business side of it as well, which is just as fun.

Kray: I hate the business side of stuff. The spreadsheets. The numbers. The accounting.

Danny: When I had to decide if I was going to be continuing on with my painting company, because when I first started off, I started off pretty much part time. I was pretty gung ho, though, so I was... I had met a few people here in Saskatchewan, magicians, and they were really warm welcoming to me. A few of them were even helping me out, they got me a few gigs and that. The ball got rolling, and then it just starting getting quite a bit of shows. Because of my business experience and having taken business courses in may past and stuff, and then I realized that: "Okay. If I'm going to do this as a career, it's got to be treated like a business." So I'm handling the business side of it, and now, when it was only even supposed to be a part time thing, was full time.

Danny: It started to interfere, there was clashing with my painting business. That was taking up sometimes 15 hours of my day. It was like: "You know what?" I talked with my wife, and she says: "You know what? Go for it. Let's do it. We're in a good place, you can do it. And if you believe in this, and this is what you want to do, then I support you. Just don't give up." [crosstalk 00:31:24].

Kray: That's amazing.

Danny: ...run. There's been a few times where I've thought about giving up, and she was there to be my big support and say: "No, you're not. You're not giving up. We're going to make this work and we're going to continue to make this work." There was a tough time there, where I was the only guy working in the household. That happened in the first two years of starting up. What that did was, really put me into a whole different level of taking this to a different level of business. Contacting more people, and reaching out, and working more on my brand...

Kray: Scaling.

Danny: Exactly. Exposure, exposure, exposure. It has worked out really quite well. We don't have to worry if she ends up losing a job, or something like that, because I'm in a position, that I'm able to provide the income to support the family. But at the same time, nothing is every guaranteed.

Kray: Life doesn't care what we have planned.

Danny: [inaudible 00:32:41] you're working for somebody. Even then, if you're working for somebody it's never really guaranteed, but at least you can make plans, and long term plans. That's the only thing that's still always tough. I get a lot of bookings for the summer and stuff, but anything could happen. [crosstalk 00:32:58].

Kray: So, because you've got that business background, is there a piece of advice that you can give magicians that are just getting started, that you wish somebody would have told you when you were getting started?

Danny: Business wise. Well...

Kray: Or just about the magic business in general.

Danny: Keeping a journal, and keeping a list right on from the beginning, of all your people that you do shows for. Keeping a contact list of them, right off the bat, if you have a Facebook page or whatever it is, getting them to leave a review. Even if they don't want to do it publicly. If they even send you a review. You can set up a bunch of questions for them, so that you're going to get an honest answer. Because if you ask somebody: "Hey. Did you like my show?" They're going to say: "Yes, we loved your show. You were great." Then they walk away and maybe tell everybody else: "Well, gee. We spent too much money on that guy." You want to get some really honest feedback, because when you get that honest feedback, you can really build on that.

Danny: We're in the business of serving people, and we have to know what it is that they're expecting. When it comes to magic, a lot of them don't know what to expect. The children's entertainment and any kind of entertainment, it's good to know where you're at with the people, so you know where you can work on, where you need to grow. That would be my biggest advice, is keep all these contact names, always follow up with them, tell them: "Thank you very much for allowing me to be part of your event. I really appreciate it." Make them feel like they're special, because, they are. They should be, from Day 1 when they contacted you, from you going and giving them your quote and everything else, and working with them at their event and everything else. They should feel like they're the most important person in your world for that time.

Danny: Because when you make them feel that way, that's what they want.

Kray: That's what everybody wants.

Danny: Yes. When they hired you, they want to feel like they did a great job in hiring you.

Kray: Yes.

Danny: I even have people, who, when they come up to me sometimes after the show, and they'll tell me what a great show I did whatever, I'll say: "Really? Thank you very much. But you know what would mean a lot to me? If you went up to her, and she's, whatever the person's name might have been, and let her know what a great job she's done, or what a great show, how much you enjoyed yourself. Let her know that too, because she's the one who hired me." And then they go, and they do that [crosstalk 00:35:48].

Kray: That's awesome.

Danny: Of course, then she's like: "Man, all these people came up to me and told me how great you were. We want to have you back next year because you're really good."

Kray: That's really smart.

Danny: It has got to be authentic though, it has got to be authentic. You can't just do it because you're trying to con somebody, or...

Kray: It's easy to tell the difference, though.

Danny: Yes.

Kray: Sometimes.

Danny: Yes.

Kray: Still, great advice. I think everybody could learn from that, quite easily. I have one last question for you.

Danny: Okay.

Kray: And it's one of my favorites. If you could spend the day with any magician, living or dead, who would it be?

Danny: Man.

Kray: I know.

Danny: I knew you were going to ask this question, but I didn't really think magician. But, okay.

Kray: Okay, how about entertainer?

Danny: Well, if it's going to be entertainer, we can stick with the magician. I just thought, if you asked me, if there was one person in this world who I'd spend one day with, whatever else you were saying, my mom. One magician? I would have to say, as far as a magician goes, Christopher T Magician. Christopher Barnes. Interesting is that, I met him a long time ago, on the Magic Café, and he came out with this little downloads that he was doing. He was trying to get some money together, it was about adapting magic props and stuff to different and various magic routines. And that was back then, his timing was impeccable because, at that point in my profession, I was trying to think of ways to come up with new magic routines, and new ideas. But I was thinking so far outside the box, I was trying to think of new methods and create something entirely different from the wheel.

Danny: I seen his post, it was on the Magic Café, and I got it. I downloaded his stuff, it was $10 or something like that. I was actually blown away. I thought the guy was absolutely hilarious, and I don't think anybody had heard of him at the time. I posted a bunch of reviews, like: "This is the greatest thing ever." It got my juices going, my creativity, as far as taking stuff I already had instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. It was taking props and coming up with new ideas to create different routines for them, that could be on topic for pretty much anything. I could be talking about recycling, or... Anyways, yes. I said: "You know what? That $10 wasn't enough." I gave him another $50, and I hadn't even got to the second part of the downloads that he had [inaudible 00:38:24].

Danny: Then I end up giving him more money, and I can't remember exactly how much money I end up giving him, but this stuff, it was worth gold to me. Then he end up having enough money, whatever, not just from me, but because everyone else was like: "What? Who is this guy?" Well, this guys saying he's the next best thing since sliced bread. "Well, all right. 10 bucks. That ain't going to hurt." Then it just spread like wildfire. He got his book out, and that was his first book. It came out, and he sent me a copy of it. He inscribed this little message in there, if I had it with me now I would remember word by word, but it was basically thanking me, kind of helping him get started.

Danny: After that, things got busy for him. Not because of me, I'm not trying to take credit for getting his career going. Some people are like: " Oh, yes. He's trying to take credit for Christopher T Magician." But no, I'm just saying that's how I met him. He was absolutely hilarious, he's still absolutely hilarious. He's doing really good for himself. We haven't really spoke, like we did back a few years ago. I'd love to spend a day with that guy. My cheeks would probably hurt, so much, just from being with that guy. Or maybe, he'd probably just: "This is my day off."

Kray: Yes. The public persona and the actual persona can be two totally different people.

Danny: Yes, yes. I think it would be great, because I like to be silly, and go out and be silly, but people I hang around with, if I did that with, it's like: "Okay. That's the last time we're taking you with us."

Kray: Oh, yes. That's still awesome, awesome answer. And great reasoning behind it, too. That's amazing. Danny, thank you so much for coming on the show today. It was fabulous talking with you.

Danny: Right on. Thank you Kray, and I wish you nothing but the best with the podcast, and all the business that you are doing, and that.

Kray: Thank you.

Danny: And again, thank you very much for allowing me to be a part of this.

Kray: Not a problem at all. Thank you, so very much. And to everybody listening at home, tune in next time for our next guest. Have a great time, and keep up the magic until then.